关于Jetseal的水珠~

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穆哈哈

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本帖最后由 穆哈哈 于 2014-12-29 12:22 编辑

[backcolor=rgb(250, 250, 250)]起因一个哥们在CG官网论坛询问jetseal的水珠为啥不那么”[/backcolor][backcolor=rgb(250, 250, 250)]坚挺“,三周前的jetseal如今已经水珠不那么好看了[/backcolor]

[backcolor=rgb(250, 250, 250)]然后管理员回复如下:[/backcolor]
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[backcolor=rgb(250, 250, 250)]Water beading as a measure of a wax/sealant's effectiveness is a bit of a misnomer...[/backcolor]
[backcolor=rgb(250, 250, 250)]用水珠的形态去判断蜡或者封体的效果有点误解[/backcolor]
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[backcolor=rgb(250, 250, 250)] Because the beading effect dissipates doesn't mean the protective coating is all gone, or is not providing meaningful protection, as the product is still within the pores of the paint.[/backcolor]
因为水珠效果消散并不意味这保护层消失,或者无法提供有效保护,就像封体仍在油漆的毛孔中

[backcolor=rgb(250, 250, 250)]JetSeal sheets water away, not bead as much as natural carnauba waxes.[/backcolor]
[backcolor=rgb(250, 250, 250)]jetseal的水珠,没有天然巴西棕榈蜡多[/backcolor]
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[backcolor=rgb(250, 250, 250)] Under a microscope, wax molecules look like beach balls whereas sealant look like tiny marbles. [/backcolor]
[backcolor=rgb(250, 250, 250)]在显微镜下,蜡份子想沙滩球一样大,而封体的份子像弹球一样[/backcolor]
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[backcolor=rgb(250, 250, 250)]The finer molecules fill and bond better to paint, and create a smoother surface for water to roll away in a sheet,[/backcolor]
[backcolor=rgb(250, 250, 250)]小分子与油漆填充跟融合更好,并且创造一个光滑的表面让水流走[/backcolor]
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[backcolor=rgb(250, 250, 250)] rather than roll around the large wax particles and "bead" together. [/backcolor]
[backcolor=rgb(250, 250, 250)]而不是像蜡的粒子一样让水形成珠状[/backcolor]
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[backcolor=rgb(250, 250, 250)]carnauba wax also absorbs water and swells up, causing higher surface tension. [/backcolor]
[backcolor=rgb(238, 238, 238)]巴西棕榈蜡也吸收水和膨胀,导致表面张力更高。[/backcolor]
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[backcolor=rgb(250, 250, 250)]Sheeting is better IMO because if there is dirt on the paint, or in the water, the sheeting effect pushes the dirt off the paint rather than leave rings of dirt after the water evaporates.[/backcolor]
在我看来形成大片的更好,因为如果有污物的油漆,或者在水中,油漆表面的水珠会是污垢离开漆面,而已不是形成水珠,蒸发后残留在漆面

(补充,CG的白蜡、lava、黑蜡也是一样的,水珠形态不好)

[backcolor=rgb(250, 250, 250)]But your mileage may vary..[/backcolor]
[backcolor=rgb(250, 250, 250)]也可能有其他的优点[/backcolor]


胡逼翻译,求指正


如果很在意水珠,那么V7必备,水珠无可挑剔。

jetseal 跟 BL的水珠(不动的话 点击)
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视频

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XODI3Mjg3NTg4.html

洗车液如何用

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XODI3Mjg4ODEy.html
 

ourfear

洗车水桶
2013-12-09
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封体的水珠,本来就没有蜡的好看

不知道为什么很多人那么在意水珠,我更加在意排水性
 

hzzjwx

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这个官方回答其实有一定的混淆性,大家并没有把JETSEAL封体和蜡放在一起比较,而是和其他品牌的封体在做比较。水珠一直被提到并不是说这是JET唯一的问题,只是因为水珠可以通过图片清晰形式展现。有图有真相。

JETSEAL使用下来,水珠不够“坚挺”是很明显的。这个被认为是产品成分不同所致是可以理解的。但是与其他品牌封体相比,其实并不寻常,比如WD,DGPS,DP(目前国内可以买到的几个封体,同属一家公司,不排除成分相似)。

其次就是哈哈也提到的亲水,因为JETSEAL一旦水珠倒了离亲水就很近了。这个在同类封体也是比较少见的,因为封体普遍有着很强的驱水性。如果说亲水也是产品特性之一的话,车主就失去了一个非常直观判断封体存在性的手段。

最后一个就是关键——手感。JETSEAL本身从单独施工的顺滑感来说并不特别出彩。但是如果仔细观察,在其出现亲水后,手感也大幅度衰退。考虑上封体的时间,这种衰退也比较反常。

总结来说,泼水性,驱水性,手感是目前判断封体或蜡唯一的几个方法,如果这几个方法都出现异常,如何判断产品真实的寿命?
 

cszxc098

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hzzjwx 发表于 2014-11-15 21:09
这个官方回答其实有一定的混淆性,大家并没有把JETSEAL封体和蜡放在一起比较,而是和其他品牌的封体在做比 ...

只要不是亲水是驱水那么就说明没事,EX-P的水珠也很趴的,但是基本能坚持到它的持久期结束而不会出现亲水区,我有点怀疑是不是和使用了V7有关系,类似下面的评论不难找到:
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I've been using this for a about a year now and there are some pretty major issues with this that have kept me from ordering any more. First issue is the longevity of this product is not great in Florida weather. If I get a a few days out of it I'm lucky. The slickness and shine are fantastic for those first few days but it quickly breaks down under weather (Florida sun and rain). The second issue is it takes away from whatever you have underneath it. It's supposed to enhance but it does not. I believe it removes whatever wax or sealant is under it. The beading after using this over a sealant DRAMATICALLY decreases. Just something to think about. This product is very hyped and it just doesn't deliver.

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Works great as an instant detailer, doesn't haze and goes on easy and looks great... Although after the first wash, not only does the V7 wash right off it also seems to remove any sealant or wax that's been applied. Beading is non existent and water clings to the vehicle as if an LSP hasn't been applied. I switched back to Megs Ultimate.

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Here's the deal, this is a QD not a sealant. It doesn't last long at all, and it has a tendency to mute beading off LSP's. Don't know why but lots of folks note this. However, it's a great product, cleans well, and really amps up the gloss. Just puzzling why it mutes beating. Works great over coatings to add some gloss and slickness won't hurt beading on a coating, coatings are too durable.
 

hzzjwx

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本帖最后由 hzzjwx 于 2014-11-16 01:54 编辑

ourfear 发表于 2014-11-15 21:48
大片驱水,和亲水 完全是2个概念好不好
这两个的确是两个概念,但是要从实际来看。

JETSEAL在刚上封体几天内去测试泼水和驱水效果,其实他只是比大部分封体略弱一些,应该说属于正常的。只是随着时间的推移,可能10-20天开始他的泼水基本就衰退了,出现了你所说的“大片驱水”。从这点来看,首先说明他曾经正常,现在正在衰退,只是这个周期过短。其次,此时如果不告诉你哪个是“大片驱水”或者亲水,判断是有难度的。因为我看到更多的是“大片驱水”和亲水效果很接近,水没有明显的聚集后流走,而是非常类似于亲水的姿态趴在了表面,只是在倾斜度大的位置出现了水流失的情况(这种位置亲水表面同样流失),而且速度很慢。所以我并不觉的这两个概念会像文字一样容易区别。
JETSEAL除了本身单独使用会出现以上情况外,在用其他蜡叠加的情况下,同样也存在这个问题。目前测试了5-6种蜡(单独使用水珠都是非常棒的,哎...还是说水珠),只要叠加在JETSEAL上同样会出现短期内衰退的情况。这个到底是蜡没有和JETSEAL产生正向反应还是说其他原因目前不得而知,有机会大家也可以自己试验一下。

除了反复讨论的泼水和驱水效果外,在实际使用中不管是叠加还是单独使用JETSEAL,你会发现漆面的手感在出现“大片驱水”后也会大幅度(不是一点点)的下滑,周期也非常短,这在其他封体中也并不常见。具体原因也不得而知。

水珠总是被第一时间提到,只是因为他容易被表现,几张静态照片即可解决。如果要看驱水性必须要上视频,如果说要讨论手感,,,,无解。这才是一切讨论从水珠开始的根本原因。你不可能用文字去描述一个很抽象的东西,同时还要具有信服力。

抛开本帖的主题,讨论JETSEAL只是希望了解其真实的产品特性,说简单点就是有没有商家说的那么好。如果有对于广大撸友都是福音,如果没有对于广大撸友所花费的时间就是一种摧残了。
 

ourfear

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hzzjwx 发表于 2014-11-16 01:39
怎么判断大片驱水和亲水?流速?水汇聚的效果?

抛开JET不说,就说驱水效果,除了和表面张力有关,还 ...

这种衰退,我只能判断你漆面没清洁好就上了一层jet seal。



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